tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post3467663005110465687..comments2024-03-11T04:54:26.827-07:00Comments on THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: Maxwell established that gravity & atmospheric mass create so-called greenhouse effectUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-17580776921139295422014-05-03T00:21:51.838-07:002014-05-03T00:21:51.838-07:00The Sun heats the bottom of the atmosphere & t...The Sun heats the bottom of the atmosphere & top of the oceans. Heat rises in both & convection establishes the temperature gradientsMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-23214095793887841222014-05-03T00:09:38.218-07:002014-05-03T00:09:38.218-07:00Hi, I'm not averse to this approach, but then ...Hi, I'm not averse to this approach, but then why are the ocean deeps colder than the surface? They should be warmer no? Independent of vulcanism etc.Rhyzotikahttp://www.rhyzotek.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-81371540466030156692014-05-02T19:35:53.286-07:002014-05-02T19:35:53.286-07:00MS, sadly your warning came too late, I stopped a...MS, sadly your warning came too late, I stopped at the hardware store and purchased another thousand light bulbs, I frankly could not help myself, got home and hooked them all up, DAMN what I fool I was.....<br /><br />There I was, in my garage with 1000 light bulbs, never even finished the last wiring connections, and then BLAMO, the back radiation turned them all ON, shucks the light was so bright I could not even see enough to unscrew those devil light bulbs. Oh what evil Thomas Edison invented.<br /><br />Let this be a warning to everybody, never ever allow more than ten light bulbs in the same room at the same time, the back radiation is deadly.<br /><br />In fact I STRONGLY suggest that everybody finds some tin foil and wraps all of those dangerous "back radiation sources" in in right away, your families safety depends on it.<br /><br />Cheers, Kevin. kevinKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-53308668893066551472014-05-02T18:39:51.702-07:002014-05-02T18:39:51.702-07:00Maxwell was actually wrong in assuming that the te...Maxwell was actually wrong in assuming that the temperature gradient would not appear in a sealed cylinder. Roderich Graeff has carried out over 850 experiments and virtually all showed a non-zero temperature gradient cooler at the top. <br /><br />This all stems from the <i>process</i> described in statements of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The state of thermodynamic equilibrium has maximum attainable entropy. As both potential and kinetic energy affect entropy, that state must be isentropic, meaning that it has no unbalanced energy potentials. Hence the mean sum (KE + PE) must be homogeneous, and hence there must be a temperature gradient because there is a PE gradient. <br /><br /><b>But what is critical is the corollary pertaining to what I called "heat creep" in the book. You cannot explain any observed planetary temperatures in the Solar System unless you recognise that this process occurs.</b> <br /><br />This is the new 21st century paradigm which totally and finally demolishes the radiative greenhouse conjecture. Look inside my book here ...<br />http://www.amazon.com/dp/1478729228#reader_1478729228<br />Doug Cottonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564342660783793003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-91900533190221241832014-05-02T16:46:13.229-07:002014-05-02T16:46:13.229-07:00The "experiment" which confirms the grav...The "experiment" which confirms the gravito-thermal effect is the Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube. Look it up in Wikipedia and then open the "talk" page and see my explanation under "How it works." Better still read my book (from $5.95 on Amazon - also iTunes) <i>"Why It's Not Carbon Dioxide After All."</i>Doug Cottonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564342660783793003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-77425192233704781652014-05-02T16:42:08.583-07:002014-05-02T16:42:08.583-07:00You all still follow J.H. and not H.J.
You follow...<b>You all still follow J.H. and not H.J.</b><br /><br />You follow James Hansen rather than Hans Jelbring, and that’s your problem.<br /><br />You think it’s all about radiative heat transfer, when in fact it is mostly about non-radiative heat transfer which obviously is what keeps warm the thin transparent surface layer of Earth’s oceans, the base of the Uranus troposphere, the surface of Venus, the core of our Moon etc etc etc .. throughout the Solar System. <br /><br />The greenhouse conjecture adds back radiation to solar radiation and uses the total to “explain” the surface temperature. But of course this is wrong. The original NASA net energy diagram showed only about 165W/m^2 entering the surface, but that gave a far too cold temperature in Stefan-Boltzmann (S-B) calculations, so it had to be nearly trebled with back radiation.<br /><br />The problem is, no one should be using S-B and be expecting to get the right answer.<br /><br />All that S-B calculations can be used for is the mean temperature of the whole Earth-plus-atmosphere system, and it does give about the right value when you deduct about 30% of incident solar radiation due to reflection, but retain about 20% that is absorbed by the atmosphere itself.<br /><br />Now, the big problem with all this is that 70% of the real surface is a thin layer of transparent water, let’s say 1cm deep. If you were to use S-B calculations to determine the temperature of that layer, bear in mind that over 99% of incident solar radiation that is not reflected passes right through it. So you should only use 1% or less of the 165W/m^2 of solar radiation and thus get ridiculously low values. Back radiation doesn’t have a hope, because it does not even penetrate a hair’s width into that first 1cm of water, and if all its energy were converted to kinetic (thermal) energy in that hair’s breadth, it sure would be hot and evaporate rather quickly without warming anything else. The fact that it doesn’t, confirms what I wrote in my paper over two years ago about resonant (or pseudo) scattering.<br /><br />So you see, you cannot explain Earth’s surface temperature with radiation calculations, for the simple reason that, like the Venus surface, it receives a significant amount of energy by non-radiative processes as is explained in the Amazon book “Why it’s not carbon dioxide after all” by yours truly.<br />Doug Cottonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564342660783793003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-11375657138824682072014-05-02T03:37:40.948-07:002014-05-02T03:37:40.948-07:00It was Josef Loschmidt actually. Anyway, that'...It was Josef Loschmidt actually. Anyway, that's what my new book is all about "Why it's not carbon dioxide after all" from Amazon, iTunes etc and linked from http://climate-change-theory.comDoug Cottonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564342660783793003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-61787663211892619962014-05-01T22:19:02.005-07:002014-05-01T22:19:02.005-07:00Makes sense from what I observe in the real world....Makes sense from what I observe in the real world.<br /><br />I'm sure the Maxwell position was the consensus science when I was learning basic physics in the 1960s.<br /><br />Stephen WildeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-12968735514380016472014-05-01T20:04:33.926-07:002014-05-01T20:04:33.926-07:00You better not try that experiment, because you se...You better not try that experiment, because you see, a dark bulb not receiving any electricity is at ambient room temperature of say 22C, which by Stefan-Boltzmann's Law equates to 430 W/m2 radiative forcing. Therefore, if you put two bulbs next to each other, assuming each back-radiates 50%, both bulbs will warm from the instantaneous radiative forcing 430 + .5*430 = 645 W/m2, and so on in an infinite series until you blow up the planet. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-8145235960007557812014-05-01T17:24:08.480-07:002014-05-01T17:24:08.480-07:00I know, Maxwell's a nobody that only a true de...I know, Maxwell's a nobody that only a true denier would listen to, debunked time and again by the Giant of climate alarm, Arrhenius. MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-23563373448999811022014-05-01T17:15:12.548-07:002014-05-01T17:15:12.548-07:00Maxwell, posh, tisk, tisk, what the heck did he kn...Maxwell, posh, tisk, tisk, what the heck did he know anyway....<br /><br />Shucks, you can hardly get good TV reception with those lousy rabbit ear antennas designed with his silly equations.<br /><br />Don't waste your time at WUWT, they are believers, no amount of xplaining will help them. Heck, they even figured out how to make a light bulb brighter by putting another lightbulb next to it. Something that nobody in the whole world of optics (Fresnel, Maxwell, Born, Wolf, Bacon.....) figured out how to do before.<br /><br />I'm working on a 100 light bulb array where the output of each light bulb is magnified 100x. I figure if I expand it to 1247 bulbs it will not require any electricity at all to make light. Of course the 1247 number comes from a climate model, so it might be a bit off.<br /><br />Cheers, KevinKevinKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-91119926812094735162014-05-01T15:40:34.311-07:002014-05-01T15:40:34.311-07:00Yes
Any additional thoughts on Maxwell's sta...Yes <br /><br />Any additional thoughts on Maxwell's statement "In the convective equilibrium of temperature, the absolute temperature is proportional to the pressure raised to the power (γ-1)/γ, or 0,29."?MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-80473867131085150372014-05-01T15:36:19.159-07:002014-05-01T15:36:19.159-07:00I've been getting snipped at WUWT for drawing ...I've been getting snipped at WUWT for drawing attention to such matters.<br /><br />Looks like I'm in good company :)<br /><br />Stephen WildeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com