tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post7108727187802562812..comments2024-03-11T04:54:26.827-07:00Comments on THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: Paper: Current Arctic Sea Ice is More Extensive than Most of the past 9000 YearsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-26070165310295278002013-10-22T15:58:58.927-07:002013-10-22T15:58:58.927-07:00http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S...http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379112005380<br /><br />http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0277379112005380-gr3.jpg<br /><br />http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0277379112005380-gr6.jpgMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-68447229252576617592010-10-01T05:50:25.144-07:002010-10-01T05:50:25.144-07:00MS, the global climate disruption cult believers w...MS, the global climate disruption cult believers will tolerate no variation from their dogma of Arctic ice death spiral and the end of the world.Frontiers of Faith and Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00095611649863210737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-67273371911701970812010-09-24T14:11:23.740-07:002010-09-24T14:11:23.740-07:00Sure, I read the conclusion. Did you happen to rea...Sure, I read the conclusion. Did you happen to read the final sentence?<br /><br />"It is important to note that the amplitude of these millennial-scale changes in sea-surface conditions FAR exceed those observed at the end of the 20th century."<br /><br />or the abstract:<br /><br />"The results of this study clearly show that sea-ice cover in the WESTERN Arctic Ocean has varied throughout the Holocene. MORE IMPORTANTLY, there have been times when sea-ice cover was less extensive than at the end of the 20th century."<br /><br />Regarding their discussion of the EASTERN Arctic, one of the same authors published a paper cited in the discussion about the bipolar behavior east vs. west. <br /><br />http://gizmo.geotop.uqam.ca/devernalA/de_Vernal_et_al_AGU_CH04_2009.pdf<br /><br />Which shows in Fig 6 that the "bipolar" east/west behavior began in the 1700's way before industrialization and the graph cuts off sometime in the 1800's. Therefore, the discussion about bipolar changes is referring to a time period BEFORE the 20th century. <br /><br />also look at Fig 9 showing the WESTERN Arctic back to 16,000 Y BP.<br /><br />and the abstract which states bipolar changes are not unlike those seen in the 20th century<br /><br />I'd like to know why western Arctic Sea Ice conditions over many many periods and FAR worse than the present didn't cause a tipping point due to decreased albedo at any time, but much better sea ice conditions are claimed to cause a tipping point now. <br /><br />Don't be so quick to assume I have "an agenda" - I just want to find the truthMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-70829615465127701832010-09-24T11:52:28.387-07:002010-09-24T11:52:28.387-07:00I must assume you read the conclusion of the paper...I must assume you read the conclusion of the paper, and therefore you are fully aware of the deceptive nature of your misrepresentation of this work.<br /><br />http://bprc.osu.edu/geo/publications/mckay_etal_CJES_08.pdf <br /><br />In the case I might be incorrect, please consider the actual conclusion of the authors, with my >>emphasis<<: <br /><br />=========================<br /><br />"The Holocene record from site HLY0501-05 illustrates the sensitivity of hydrographical conditions in the western Arctic Ocean. The data show a long-term warming that is >>opposite to what is reconstructed for the eastern Arctic<< and point to a >>bipolar behavior<< of the Arctic Ocean at the timescale of the Holocene. The millennial-scale variability >>in the eastern Chukchi Sea<< is characterized by quasi-cyclic periods of high SSS, high SST, and reduced sea-ice cover, which most probably reflects variations in the stratification of the upper water column.<br /><br />=========================<br /><br />The authors analyzed a >>small sub-region<< of the arctic and noted that it was anomalous. You on the other hand attempt to apply their sub-regional analysis to the general. While this clearly fits your agenda, it does not represent the meaning of the research.<br /><br />Perhaps you might invite the authors to comment on your interpretation of thier paper? No...I think you won't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com