tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post8922635726850216172..comments2024-03-11T04:54:26.827-07:00Comments on THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: The IPCC's "Unequivocal Evidence" & clever tricksUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-54139091780365898122013-10-14T09:49:28.569-07:002013-10-14T09:49:28.569-07:00http://www.science-skeptical.de/klimawandel/der-ho...http://www.science-skeptical.de/klimawandel/der-hockeystick-rise-and-fall-des-symbols-fuer-den-menschgemachten-klimawandel/0010940/<br /><br />good graphic on the trick to hide the declineMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-23058083508701243072010-02-23T20:26:08.409-08:002010-02-23T20:26:08.409-08:00Phil Jones admitted to the BBC recently, "The...Phil Jones admitted to the BBC recently, "There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not." "Of course," he continued, "if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today (based on an equivalent coverage over the NH and SH) then obviously the late-20th century warmth would not be unprecedented." OK Phil, here ya go:<br /><br />http://pages.science-skeptical.de/MWP/MedievalWarmPeriod1024x768.htmlMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-55651927808387475612010-02-23T13:30:19.376-08:002010-02-23T13:30:19.376-08:00@OldHardHead: The problem with pollution is that i...@OldHardHead: The problem with pollution is that it is economically irrelevant for the producer. Similar to sewage. Whether I pollute or not as a company doesn't affect my cash flow. But if there is a damage, and it cant be causally attributed to me, I cant be sued and do not have to pay litigation. So the society has to pay for the damages that I caused. The only way to change that is with taxes or with something like cap & trade. I'd prefer cap&trade because it doesn't matter how exactly I drive down pollution, but the market puts a price on it.Science Shmiencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-25313689801138476922010-02-23T08:22:05.582-08:002010-02-23T08:22:05.582-08:00and Ed Cook, who in a lengthy email bristles at th...and Ed Cook, who in a lengthy email bristles at the effort to eliminate the MWP and wrote:<br /><br />“I do find the dismissal of the Medieval Warm Period as a meaningful global event to be grossly premature and probably wrong.”<br /><br />[CRU email 988831541.txt (May 2, 2001)]MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-72147369216086893682010-02-23T08:15:00.286-08:002010-02-23T08:15:00.286-08:00papertiger: excellent points thanks
ALL: for a li...papertiger: excellent points thanks<br /><br />ALL: for a little climategate context on this read these emails:<br /><br />“I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’ but in reality the situation is not quite so simple.” [CRU email 938018124.txt (Sep. 22, 1999)] <br /><br />Briffa went on to say that:<br /><br /> “I believe that the recent warmth was probably matched about 1000 years ago.” [CRU email 938018124.txt (Sep. 22, 1999)]MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-1615597313236919162010-02-22T03:50:43.659-08:002010-02-22T03:50:43.659-08:00The best part is that the solution to global warmi...The best part is that the solution to global warming is taxation. At least that's their story.<br /><br />http://oldhardhead.wordpress.com/climategate/<br /><br />incredible. unbelievable.OldHardHeadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935974605813363240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-67906982712402701732010-02-22T03:42:47.802-08:002010-02-22T03:42:47.802-08:00Funny how the tree ring thermometer is calibrated ...Funny how the tree ring thermometer is calibrated with the instrument record right up to the time when it meets the satellite record.<br /><br />Pretty convenient actually. And how about the ever changing instrument record. We have seen how the past global average temperature as presented by GISS evolves with time. Are we to conclude that the treerings expand and contract with each alteration as well? <br /><br />That's some trick. <br /><br />I think we can erase the water limiting growth issue with a little digging, especially in the Yamal case. If there are temperture station records there are rainfall totals as well.papertigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05233780822178325215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-39962853168295826162010-02-21T20:40:01.601-08:002010-02-21T20:40:01.601-08:00while you are at it, please explain the unpreceden...while you are at it, please explain the unprecedented increase in temperatures in the AR paleoclimate reconstruction from yr 900-1000 that is the same rate and magnitude as in the 20th century.MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-67830632856285884932010-02-21T20:07:15.722-08:002010-02-21T20:07:15.722-08:00dhogaza: addressing your comments in order:
1. Ref...dhogaza: addressing your comments in order:<br />1. Reference please that tree rings are calibrated to thermometers. please give me the author name and/or titles of the publications or a link to the paper that makes this claim.<br />2. "by no means all" - yes you are correct - just look up on this site or many others "the most influential tree in the world". I found *one* in AR4 (Tasmania) but whoops that one shows multiple times in the MWP & beyond temps were the same or higher. <br />3. yes it is mysterious and you can think up all the theories you like but unless you can "prove" that theory, the data shall remain in doubt.<br />4. This is circular reasoning. We know about the huge problem, we've given it a name, we don't know why, but that doesn't invalidate the method as a whole. <br />5. lets just talk about the science ok? I didn't say anybody was dumb or insult anyone's intelligence. I'll be the first to admit I have no background in this field, but it is just very troubling what I have seen without any satisfactory explanation so far. I hope you can prove my concerns are unfounded. <br />6. so you aren't willing to respond to this one? references (I mean peer-reviewed papers) please. What I have read states that temperature is the least significant factor of those I mentioned with regard to tree rings density/width.<br />7. Why is it dishonest to quote Trenberth verbatim? I have read Trenberth's backpeddling explanation of this statement as well as the context in the email itself and it is clear that the fancy models were way off track in the climate energy balance "account", so I won't be removing it. <br />8 just responded to similar "cherry picking" '98 comment on the global sea level decrease thread if you're interested.MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-53898729884128267792010-02-21T18:59:57.775-08:002010-02-21T18:59:57.775-08:00"It is scientifically-improper to graft a the..."It is scientifically-improper to graft a thermometer record to a paleoclimate (e.g. tree-rings) proxy for temperature because trees are not thermometers, they are not calibrated to thermometer"<br /><br />Actually, yes, they are.<br /><br />The divergence problem is that *some* (by no means all) of the tree proxy datasets diverge from the instrumental record over the last few decades, which is mysterious because they *do* match the instrumental record for the decades before that.<br /><br />It's an active area of research ... anthropogenic sources of pollution, etc are one possibility. Another is that the microclimate of the sites that diverge has warmed to the point where the trees are no longer growth-limited by temperature, but by something else, water being a favorite candidate as warming can lead to drier soils etc.<br /><br />The *subset* of tree proxy data that diverges not only matches well with roughly 2/3 of the instrumental (thermometer) record, but with other available proxies where overlap in time is available.<br /><br />That's why the paleoclimate types believe that some recent change impacting that subset of sites is causing the divergence. Heck, that's why it's called the divergence problem in the first place, because THE DATA MATCHES SO WELL WITH EVERYTHING ELSE INCLUDING THE INSTRUMENTAL RECORD UNTIL RECENT YEARS.<br /><br />They're not as dumb as you apparently think, and you're not as smart as you apparently think.<br /><br />"there are many more important variables than temperature that can affect tree rings such as precipitation, location, CO2 (plant food) levels, weather patterns, etc. for which there is no means to sort out."<br /><br />This is just bull. Not even worth responding too. There's actually some good stuff from dendro/paleoclimate types available on the web that discusses exactly what is done in order to sort out that for which you ignorantly claim there is no means to sort out.<br /><br />Go find it yourself, and educate yourself before proclaiming that you've triumphantly proved the work of a bunch of hard-working scientists to be wrong, based on trivialities that have been dealt with for decades.<br /><br />And quite quote-mining Trenberth in your lead graphic, it's dishonest to do so. As is cherry picking 1998 as your starting point.<br /><br />I'd love to find an honest denier some day ... obviously, no luck here.dhogazanoreply@blogger.com