tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post189541937827147116..comments2024-03-11T04:54:26.827-07:00Comments on THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: New paper finds solar cycle changes Earth temperatureUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-37922810968574974312013-01-22T15:55:23.303-08:002013-01-22T15:55:23.303-08:00http://www.issw.ch/info/mitarbeitende/frank/Raspop...http://www.issw.ch/info/mitarbeitende/frank/Raspopov_etal_PPP_2008.pdfMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-24020646196468422462013-01-22T10:18:04.775-08:002013-01-22T10:18:04.775-08:00If CO2 caused a positive feedback loop, the Earth ...If CO2 caused a positive feedback loop, the Earth would have incinerated billions of years ago. The climate is dominated by negative, not positive feedback loops which explains the cyclical nature of climate.<br /><br />http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/30/co2-temperatures-and-ice-ages/MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-38276756385256710172013-01-22T08:54:57.423-08:002013-01-22T08:54:57.423-08:00"The cause cannot follow the effect" is ..."The cause cannot follow the effect" is simply not true. Nobody is denying that warming temperatures increase the release of C02 from the oceans. And the most scientific of the skeptic crowd is not denying C02 raises temperature (their skepticism relates to "how much" it affects warming). The skeptics even have to accept that both are true: warming causes increase in CO2 and while also an increase in CO2 causes warming. Think of like the stock market. If public sentiment falls, the market value falls which in turn causes sentiment to decline even further. It doesn't matter which comes first. In science it's referred to as a "Feedback loop".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-45126413537335432522013-01-20T12:42:28.243-08:002013-01-20T12:42:28.243-08:00Not only is climate effected by solar variations, ...Not only is climate effected by solar variations, but volcanic activity is effected by solar activity. Volcanism is a secondary efffect of solar and cosmic ray particle variations. Volcanism is somewhat self-damping as the internal heat is offset with gases and ahs which increase albedo. Large portions of todays science are now based on a false paradigm. See "Becoming a TOTAL Earth Science Skeptic" for a summary of just some of the Faux Science scams.FauxScienceSlayerhttp://fauxscienceslayer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-20698969022620190372013-01-18T16:08:34.213-08:002013-01-18T16:08:34.213-08:00More graphs showing the TSI grand maximum near the...More graphs showing the TSI grand maximum near the end of the 20th century. Note also, solar effects have a long lag time due to the huge heat capacity of the ocean<br /><br />http://www.biocab.org/Comparison_TT-CO2-Solar_Irradiance.jpg<br /><br />http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/wdcc1/papers/grlfig4.gif<br /><br />http://www.climate4you.com/images/SolarIrradianceReconstructedSince1610.gif<br /><br />http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Solar_Activity_Proxies.png/300px-Solar_Activity_Proxies.png<br /><br />http://www.biocab.org/Extrapolated_TSI.jpg<br /><br />http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/total_solar_irradiance_plots/tim_tsi_reconstruction_2012.jpeg<br /><br />http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/wdcc1/papers/grlfig5.gifMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-25998846355700368722013-01-18T15:49:41.362-08:002013-01-18T15:49:41.362-08:001. "climate deniers" is hate speech &...1. "climate deniers" is hate speech & not allowed on this site. Read the comment policy. <br /><br />2. http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/01/paper-shows-solar-activity-at-end-of.html shows TSI at a grand maximum at end of 20th century<br /><br />3. Temps can continue to rise even if TSI remains stable<br />http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/09/commitment-studies-belie-consensus-claim-that-a-persistent-high-level-of-temperature-forcing-cannot-cause-continued-warming/<br /><br />4. Sunspot integral & ocean oscillations explain temp changes much better than CO2<br />http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2010/01/climate-modeling-ocean-oscillations.html<br /><br />5. Temperature leads CO2 by 800+ years in the ice cores. The cause cannot follow the effect.MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-68574917125677836372013-01-18T14:24:58.734-08:002013-01-18T14:24:58.734-08:00There are many things that drive temperature. Clim...There are many things that drive temperature. Climate deniers want you to believe there is only one cause, so if they point to anything else that has an impact you're supposed to believe that CO2 cannot. Problem is that after about 1975 TSI and global temperature diverge. A quick google and you can see for yourself. <br /><br />C02 and temp are intertwined. CO2 causes warming. In the rare cases where the temp rises first, the oceans loose solubility of C02 which releases more C02 which then drives further warming. Check the graph of CO2 vs temp. Be sure to make sure it is current and not some denier page that ends at 1950. Now ask yourself if you really believe that for the first time in 300,000 years the two aren't intertwined. <br /><br />Solar output vs temp<br />http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Temp_vs_TSI_2009.gif<br /><br />CO2 vs Temp<br />http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/2010/antarctic_icecoreT.gifAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-79930762774378273512013-01-17T19:56:01.328-08:002013-01-17T19:56:01.328-08:00Of course Solar activity affects climate, and can ...Of course Solar activity affects climate, and can do so even via cosmic rays which may affect cloud formation. Solar activity itself is timed by planetary orbits which can affect the Sun via magnetic and maybe even gravitational fields.<br /><br />This is why it is all natural - not anthropogenic ... <br /><br />The automatic development of a vertical thermal gradient (AKA "lapse rate") in any atmosphere in a gravitational field has been confirmed by over 800 experiments since 2002. It happens at the molecular level, regardless of the surface temperature or the amount of convection. Details are in "Planetary Surface Temperatures. A Discussion of Alternative Mechanisms." <br /><br /><b>This autonomous "lapse rate" fully explains that "33 degrees of warming" without any need for any greenhouse effect.</b><br /><br />All should read this comment by, Geoff Wood, qualified in astrophysics.<br /><br />http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/01/waste-heat-as-a-contributor-to-observed-warming/#comment-68988<br /><br />The following are excerpts ..<br /><br /><i>As Doug has said about a dozen times, gravity modifies the mean free path between collisions. That is ‘every’ upward, ‘every’ downward ‘every’ sideways, ‘every’, ‘every’ free molecular path between collisions is modified. Therefore it is impossible for the modified ‘collisions’ that result, not to impart the gravitational ‘information’ into the macroscopic development of the gravitational thermal profile. This is the ‘diffusion’ process. <br /><br />At this point, we have a reasonable depiction of the thermal profile of ANY atmosphere. FROM BASIC PHYSICS.<br /><br />Given a simple reason why any atmosphere tends towards this isentropic profile as depicted and described by entry level physics, why would anyone look for a more complicated reason to explain what we already know!</i><br /><br />The point which Geoff and I make is that the "33 degrees of warming" supposedly caused by water vapour and carbon dioxide etc was already there due to the effect of gravity on the atmosphere. This happens on all planets, and also fully explains why the poles of Venus are over 720K, even though they receive less than 1W/m^2 of direct insolation from the Sun. For more detail read my article "The 21st Century New Paradigm Shift in Climate Change Science" easily found with Google. I've also recorded an introductory 10 minute video here http://youtu.be/r8YbyfqUvfY <br /><br /><br /><br />Doug Cottonhttp://climate-change-theory.comnoreply@blogger.com