tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post2619989328849225975..comments2024-03-11T04:54:26.827-07:00Comments on THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: New paper says IPCC climate models are basically worthless to project regional climate changeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-81288103588769429242014-09-23T07:41:03.679-07:002014-09-23T07:41:03.679-07:00Hi cementafriend,
I agree with you. Warmists thin...Hi cementafriend,<br /><br />I agree with you. Warmists think just because there is bidirectional radiation between a warmer and colder body that means there is bidirectional heat flux too. Incorrect. For there to be heat flux from colder to warmer would require an impossible decrease in entropy. MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-10918703813691149842014-09-23T00:43:59.685-07:002014-09-23T00:43:59.685-07:00MS (Have that correct or does that apply to a diff...MS (Have that correct or does that apply to a different blogger?) you are correct that so-called climate scientists and their fellow travelers do not understand basic thermodynamics (which by the way is an engineering subject not physics). For a start the S-B equation (sometimes thought as a law -radiant energy flux proportional to T^4) strictly only applies to surfaces in a vacuum. As Baron Fourier (who was an engineer and the first to formulate theory on heat transfer) stated when there is an atmosphere over a body everything changes. There is convection, and if the surface is a liquid or partly covered by a liquid there will be phase change and mass transfer (ie evaporation). radiation is only a fraction of the heat transfer from the earth surface because of the atmosphere.<br />Then as you say there is a need to consider the 4th postulate of Thermodynamics (otherwise known as the second law of Thermodynamics) which now has been found not only to apply on a gross scale but even on the sub-atomic particle scale. <br />There is no heat flux from a cold gas in the atmosphere to a warmer earth surface. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-30735315923856972812014-09-22T12:24:00.386-07:002014-09-22T12:24:00.386-07:00Models seem far away of any sufficient data about ...Models seem far away of any sufficient data about oceans water and heat supply to the atmosphere. By far the most sun ray influence the global air temperature via the oceans. By far the most water vapor in the atmosphere is supplied by the oceans in a rhythm of less than two weeks. Each water drop is in the air merely for about 10 days, see here: http://www.ocean-climate-law.com/13/Arch/6_9.htmlJeannoreply@blogger.com