tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post3514169116976322504..comments2024-03-11T04:54:26.827-07:00Comments on THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: Professor inadvertently explains why greenhouse theory is wrongUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-60847639057305740612014-03-08T12:02:31.954-08:002014-03-08T12:02:31.954-08:00Pressure explains Venus Temp
stevengoddard says:
...Pressure explains Venus Temp<br /><br />stevengoddard says:<br />March 6, 2014 at 10:41 am<br />Let me try again, and explain this very slowly. The conversation has drifted off from mindless to idiotic.<br /><br />The “perpetual heat machine” is the Sun which is constantly providing huge amounts of energy to Venus atmosphere. Without the sun, Venus would be frozen solid.<br /><br />PV=nRT has no time component. P, n and R don’t change – they are constants. They only things that could change are volume and temperature. As long as the volume is held constant, the temperature will remain constant too. The height of the atmosphere is controlled by steady solar energy received at the top of the atmosphere, so the temperature is fixed.<br /><br />Obviously Venus is not a closed system – it has a massive ball of fire heating it up. How dense can you be?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-33685522162438928572014-02-13T17:11:33.419-08:002014-02-13T17:11:33.419-08:00Alex Hamilton says:
February 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm
I...Alex Hamilton says:<br />February 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm<br />I suppose some may doubt in my comment at 3:13pm that carbon dioxide acts in the same way as moisture in the air in reducing the lapse rate and thus reducing the greater surface warming resulting from the thermal gradient (dry lapse rate) which evolves spontaneously simply because it is the state of greatest entropy that can be accessed in the gravitational field.<br /><br />Many think, as climatologists teach their climatology students, that the release of latent heat is what reduces the lapse rate over the whole troposphere.<br /><br />Well it’s not the primary cause of any overall effect on the lapse rate. That effect is fairly homogeneous, so the mean annual lapse rate in the tropics, for example is fairly similar at most altitudes. But the release of latent heat during condensation is not equal at all altitudes and warming at all altitudes would not necessarily reduce the gradient anyway. In fact, one would expect more such warming in the lower troposphere.<br /><br />The effect of reducing the lapse rate is to cool temperatures in the lower 4 or 5Km of the troposphere and raise them in the upper troposphere, so that this all helps to retain radiative balance with the Sun, such as is observed.<br /><br />So where is all the condensation in the uppermost regions of the troposphere and why is there apparently a cooling effect from whatever latent heat is released in the lower altitudes below 4 or 5Km?<br /><br />It’s nonsense what climatologists teach themselves, and the claims made are simply not backed up by physics.<br /><br />Radiation can transfer energy from warmer to cooler molecules within the system being considered, so this transfers energy far faster than the slow process that involves molecular collisions. That is why the gradient is reduced and the reduction also happens on other planets where no water is present. That is why water molecules and suspended droplets in the atmosphere, as well as carbon dioxide and other GHG all lead to cooler surface temperatures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-8831761080287831252014-02-13T16:29:26.335-08:002014-02-13T16:29:26.335-08:00Alex Hamilton says:
February 13, 2014 at 3:13 pm
C...Alex Hamilton says:<br />February 13, 2014 at 3:13 pm<br />Continuing from my comment at 2:16pm, the inevitable conclusion is that it is not greenhouse gases that are raising the surface temperature by 33 degrees or whatever, but the fact that the thermal profile is already established by the force of gravity acting at the molecular level on all solids, liquids and gases. So the “lapse rate” is already there, and indeed we see it in the atmospheres of other planets as well, even where no significant solar radiation penetrates.<br /><br />In fact, because the “dry” lapse rate is steeper, and that is what would evolve spontaneously in a pure nitrogen and oxygen atmosphere, and because we know that the wet adiabatic lapse rate is less steep than the dry one, it is obvious that the surface temperature is not as high because of these greenhouse gases. Carbon dioxide (being one molecule in about 2,500 other molecules) has very little effect, but whatever effect it does have would thus be very minor cooling.<br /><br />I don’t care what you think you can deduce from whatever apparent correlation you think you can demonstrate from historical data, there is no valid physics which points to carbon dioxide warming.<br /> <br />http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/13/assessment-of-equilibrium-climate-sensitivity-and-catastrophic-global-warming-potential-based-on-the-historical-data-record/#comment-1567041MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-90443554481607726172011-08-12T06:55:01.757-07:002011-08-12T06:55:01.757-07:00I see that Mostlyharmless complained about it
htt...I see that Mostlyharmless complained about it<br /><br />http://mostlyharmless-room-101.blogspot.com/2011/08/clutching-at-straws-or-scraping-barrel.htmlsunsettommyhttp://www.globalwarmingskeptics.info/forums/index.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-87974334783225429532011-08-08T07:52:10.810-07:002011-08-08T07:52:10.810-07:00yes, except Archer doesn't seem to recognize i...yes, except Archer doesn't seem to recognize itMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714540297202434542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-13393486639398086882011-08-08T06:12:00.253-07:002011-08-08T06:12:00.253-07:00I think I might by right in saying that what Profe...I think I might by right in saying that what Professor David Archer has said is in line with what Alan Siddons has proven in "Slaying The Sky Dragon - Death of the Greenhouse Effect"Mervyn Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00837085071317273800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142988674703954802.post-36138527389040880152011-08-07T14:34:54.110-07:002011-08-07T14:34:54.110-07:00Thank you for the link to my article, "Venus:...Thank you for the link to my article, "Venus: No Greenhouse Effect". However, I suggest readers be sent to the article's own page, with its comments, at<br /><br />http://theendofthemystery.blogspot.com/2010/11/venus-no-greenhouse-effect.html<br /><br />because I strongly recommend readers also read the comments after the article, particularly my responses. The Venus/Earth comparison, properly done, corrects not just one, but a whole handful of fundamental mistakes committed by "consensus" scientists like Prof. Archer. It is amazing, I know, but they have all been fundamentally miseducated, and continue to miseducate the world.Harry Dale Huffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03210275295826050501noreply@blogger.com